Nokia Needs To Stop Making S60 3rd Edition & 5th Edition Phones

Nokia E5
The Nokia E5 runs S60 3rd Edition
Nokia has had lots of PR nightmares in recent times – and I daresay that ALL of them have been self-inflicted. In this article, I want to focus on the subject of their continual pushing out of phones with outdated software.
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By outdated software, I mean Symbian S60 3rd Edition and 5th Edition. Is it that those versions of Symbian are non-functional? No; they are.

But they are outdated in the sense that something much better is already out there – SymbianNext (that’s my generic term for Symbian^3, Anna and Belle).

When most people complain of Symbian, they are mostly doing that from the standpoint of Symbian S60. Take a look at this recent complaint springing from my review of the Facinate app for Facebook on Symbian phones:

This is what i hate about nokia, so my E5 can not get this… Oh yes i paid 43,000 and i cant get a single decent facebook app, anytime i hear them better the new symbian while leaving the other ones outside makes me doubt if i would ever get a nokia device again. When did this phone come out that its nw dead, make no mistake it has a 600mhz process and 256 mb ram so am pretty sure it can run better apss…..

As a nokia fan i tell you that they abandon their phones like too early, remember that symbian carla will nt come to n8, e7,e6… E6 when did that come out that its called nt eligible.

Nokia is highly confused…… And this should def be my last with them i have had it. Ps i bought E5 january this year and by march it was already outdated……… Talk of trash

Note that a valid complaint has been made. But note how that valid complaint has been easilly mixed with invalid thoughts.

It is not true that Nokia abandons their phones early. Till today, Nokia is still supporting S60 3rd Edition and 5th Edition with upgrades.

Also, note that the app he is complaining of was not made by Nokia. An independent developer was responsible for that app – and chose to ignore 3rd Edition (and we can’t blame him for that; who wants to keep supporting old software when the new is here and much better?).

But here is the point – Nokia is responsible for this mess. So valid or invalid, Nokia continues to generate complaints from users. Read: public relations issues.

How is Nokia responsible?

I said earlier when Symbian^3 was launched that Nokia should simply stop rolling out phones with older versions of Symbian. That way, the issues of apps incompatibility and fragmentation can be put aside in the shortest possible time.

Also, everyone who went to the market for a Nokia would be getting the newest version of their Symbian OS. The benefits are all too clear. Whatever other business considerations informed continuing to push out older software, the demerits are grievous and costly in the open market.

But, No. We have a mishmash of 3rd Edition, 5th Edition and SymbianNext devices. Unfortunately, the average user cannot tell the difference. He buys a phone running 3-year old software, gets burnt using it and simply screams blue murder! Rightly so, too.

All the best apps are on the most up-to-date versions of Symbian. Devices running older firmware will get ignored one way or the other by developers. As long as Nokia keeps pushing those older firmware, users will keep screaming, whether or not all of the noise is valid.

Your comments and thoughts!

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16 thoughts on “Nokia Needs To Stop Making S60 3rd Edition & 5th Edition Phones”

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  2. ”Nokia is highly confused…… And this should def be my last with them i have had it. Ps i bought E5 january this year and by march it was already outdated……… Talk of trash”

    last symbian S60 or last nokia device?? Definitely not the latter. The article is well written but i believe its S40 they should scrap entirely! Redesign S60 UI for a fresh experience and discontinue S40 entirely!

  3. One reason why it may be expedient for Nokia to keep making devices with the dinosaur Symbian s60v3 $ v5 may be due to the fact that- the more modern s^3 requires more capable hardware to run properly., Faster processor.befier memory. More cost.

    Would Belle run smoothly on a phone like the Nokia 5230?

    Nokia-renowned for making phones for all segments of the market, must keep the lean and mean s603rd / 5th alive. the other option is to focus on the middle-to-upper frequency of the smartphone spectrum..

    Luckily there is still an overabundance of software for this old workhorse of an OS!.

  4. I dont agree wit d writter on this topic. I see no reason Y nokia shld stop pushing the S60 3rd or 5th eddition to the market. Am using E5 and I bought my N8 abt 2months ago. Every manufacturer has an entry level smartfone and that is wht these 2rd and 5th S60s are.

    Uptil jan dis year I hav bn using dumb or feature fones all along and I browse them too until d day a frnd called it a ‘dumb’ fone and I askd y ‘dumb’ fone? And he told I wont understand. I was some how angry then I went on net with my pc. Throught that day I was on net and it was all about fone and that was the 1st time I came to kno gsmarena. After everytin I made up my mind to buy E5 then dumpd the dumb fone for good.

    After some months I began to see the limitations of my E5 wrt other nokia fones and all the reviews both at gsmarena, mobility, nokia blog, fonearena, nigeria tech guide ans so on i decided to buy N8. So wht am trying to say is that those complains you see or hear about 3rd and 5th are just wishes. These are people like me who just began using smartfone and wish to enjoy everything enjoyable by the users of high end smartfones but could not afford it.

    Imagine if nokia smartfones in the market starts from E6 (which is about 50K) and u want somebody like me to jump start from Nokia 2700C. Those who know wht they want in smartfones and have the money kno wht to buy, therefore I think its not Nokia fault. Nokia understand our market too well and that is y they are pushing those fones there.

    To be frank, how many Nigerians (excluding those carrying BB for bbm and pinging sake) use smartfones? Less than 40% of our population I guess, becos just like me then fone is just meant for :make&reciv calls, sms &little browsings. May those who are complaining have the economic power to upgrade or change their fones instead of Nokia stopping the production of 3rd&5th S60 fones.

  5. Andy & EyeBeeKay,

    I have to disagree with you there. There is no plausible reason why Symbian3 cannot run on lower-end (entry-level) smartphones.

    We see Android 2.3.5 on devices like the bottom-end Huawei U8180 – and running fairly well. That’s a N19,000 phone.

    Why should Symbian3 not run on something like that? Except resource efficiency went out the window with Symbian3?

    The N8 runs well on a 68MHz CPU, so how bad could Symbian^3 on a 400 MHz CPU be, especially with a smaller display, thus giving the processor less work to do?

  6. Good day mister mobility.

    My major irk is why E5 did not get symbian anna. It really can run it and since it has no touchscreen i would be superfast, when a new os is released especially for cellphones, dont produce phones with the old ones, you just end up making people who buy these phones hate the maker,

    s60v3 is functional yes, but since there is anna it should be laid to rest peacefully, ok you guys are moving to windows, and at the sametime still making symbian ”next” and then you still produce symbian stone ”v5 and v6′. For me E5 was my first smartphone, i decided to try it and i said no BB bcos it was the craze, so i need a qwerty and e71 and the like to me where ‘old’, e5 was just released so boom my choice was made.

    And now the phone looks so old, the os is crap firmware update my foot i have the latest update and yet the bugs in the phone still remain *abi you want make i list am* and how do they expect developers to make appss for v3 when v5, and symbian next talk of windows are standing there,nw after this kind of experience do you seriously expect me to but another Nokia phone???

    Mobility family answer for me.

    1. Good, you said:

      My major irk is why E5 did not get symbian anna. It really can run it and since it has no touchscreen it would be superfast

      1. Symbian^3/Anna/Belle was designed for touchscreen phones, so it won’t run on the E5.

      2. Symbian^3/Anna/Belle is not backwards compatible with S60 3rd Edition, so the E5 cannot be updated with Symbian^3/Anna/Belle either.

      As you can see, it is clear why the E5 cannot run SymbianNext. My position is that Nokia should have stopped 3rd and 5th Edition devices, but it also must be said that you didn’t do your research before purchasing the E5.

      The decision to purchase another Nokia or not after this is left entirely to you. I’m sorry, but I can’t help you with that. 🙂

      Cheers.

  7. @Mr Mobility, So-let us assume without conceding that Symbian*3 would run SATISFACTORY on the cadaverous Symbian 60 3rd edition hardware.

    If Nokia breaks away cleaning from the ‘old brigade’, what happens to the horde of applications available for that age?

    You mentioned that s^3 was designed for touchscreen.we can then infer that you propose that Nokia stop producing QWERTY,-only phones. (and @ best embrace hybrids). Die_hard touchscreen haters (i know a few!) should then be eliminated from the Nokia market – leading to even more market loss?

    Remember that Nokia got to be this big because they did not neglect any stratum of the market, price wise, hardware_preference_wise

    1. If Nokia breaks away cleaning from the ‘old brigade’, what happens to the horde of applications available for that age?

      Same thing that happened to Windows mobile and Palm OS apps.

      You mentioned that s^3 was designed for touchscreen.we can then infer that you propose that Nokia stop producing QWERTY,-only phones. (and @ best embrace hybrids). Die_hard touchscreen haters (i know a few!) should then be eliminated from the Nokia market – leading to even more market loss?

      QWERTY-only diehards are going to have to adapt to hybrids or die out. All QWERTY manufacturers are moving to hybrids.

      Remember that Nokia got to be this big because they did not neglect any stratum of the market, price wise, hardware_preference_wise.

      Nokia can implement SymbianNext across all those factors – markets, prices and hardware. If they can’t – and a big IF – then we have all been sold a horrible lie about Symbian’s resource-efficiency and Nokia’s hardware proficiency.

      This is where I rest my case on this discussion. You guys carry on. Cheers.

  8. S60v3 hardware is nt cadaverous, not ay all, amd i would tell you that its brachial plexus and sacro-lumbar plexus are still very much functional, there is no necrosis and no ovelying signs of an aversion,its condition how ever is malignant considering the fact that nokia misdiagnosed and mistreated it, anyways its disorder is terminal so we kindly ask nokia to stop churning out phones with the same os, many people dont know the diff and when they do it looks like they have been cheated, they end up with acrondoplastic dwarfed devices suffering from horner’s syndrome and a badly damaged sciatic nerve..
    Thanks.

  9. Furthermore,

    (
    We see Android 2.3.5 on devices like the bottom-end Huawei U8180 – and running fairly well. That’s a N19,000 phone.
    )
    Not a good illustration, i think!

    That phone hsd problems running multiple apps, due to the dirt_cheap hardware.

    YOU need good spec’d hardware to run a Gooey-based (GUI)modern OS. Period.

  10. He who runs away from a fight lives to fight another day..

    This case is FAR Fromm rested. Especially about your nonchalance about zillions of symbian 60 3rd being summarily dumped. Not a practicable business strategy for Nokia. Throw away the edge (even if the edge is now blunt) , in order to catch up with the OS wannabees..humph !!!

  11. Mister mobility. I agree wit u a little bit, nokia’s update process is kinda messed up, and even wen u update (ie s60v3 or v5, note dat v5 is v3 on touchscreen) d update(like d previous update 4 5800 nd co. only adds a few features instead of actually bringin d whole os 2 a new level, say to v3 service pack 2 or somtin and makin it possible 4 developers to build apps dat will support both d ^3 and v3 sp2…

    Dats y i love java!

  12. @good, these medical bombs you are detonating like boko haram can cause a cerebral implosion on this blog.

    Not everybodi is an Afewgoodmen / DeolaDoctor!

    I suggest you mellow small o.

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