Samsung terminates all support for Symbian

Samsung is discontinuing its Symbian support service from December 31st 2010. Symbian development lab and Symbian forum will be shut down and ALL Symbian content removed from their servers.

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An excerpt from the announcement to developers:

We recommend posting any new discussion board queries no later than the 10th of December 2010 to ensure your issue can be addressed prior to the Forum’s closure. Please take this opportunity to download any required documentation before all content is removed. Registration and certification of Symbian applications for the Samsung Apps store will cease from 08:00am on the 31st of December 2010.

We would like to thank you for your continued support and interest. Please refer to Symbian.org for alternative Symbian development forums.

Source: A message on behalf of Samsung Mobile Innovator

This is much more severe than Sony Ericsson’s position. Samsung is making a total break from Symbian, and not mincing words about it. For whatever reason that Nokia spent all that money to acquire Symbian and setup The Symbian Foundation not too long ago, they shouldn’t have bothered. Looks like its going to be abandoned by everyone else anyway. The money spent looks like a big waste.

Still, I find it odd that all support is being withdrawn. I can imagine the anger and disappointment of Samsung’s loyal customers who purchased some of the high-end Symbian devices that Samsung made. Are these consumers being left out in the cold?

Not that Samsung really supported a top-end device like the GT-i8910 which was plagued with numerous issues from the word Go. They released the device and almost immediately abandoned it.

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53 thoughts on “Samsung terminates all support for Symbian”

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  2. This is not unexpected. Nokia is like a Goliath, a local champion who has gone passed its hay days. It is just as Motorola used to be earlier before Nokia overtook it. Motorola was the number one phone manufacturer before, overtaken by Nokia, then Samsung, then LG, and would have folded up and crashed if not for the Android open source platform that came and saved its day! Likewise, Nokia is so big now that it is now insipid to change! It is only innovation and keeping in time with change that can actually save Nokia! And not just by bringing its price down. I see Samsung overtaking Nokia in the near future in sales. ANd Android overtaking Symbian as the most used Mobile OS. It has already gone on a good start with the Symbian ^3, with Meego and Symbian ^4 to follow. Let’s hope they are enough to save Nokia’s day and that it doesn’t go the way of Motorola!

  3. History tells us that no-one stays on top for ever. Where is the Greek empire today? The Roman empire? The British empire?

    And as Afewgoodmen pointed out, where is Motorola today?

    I do not believe that Symbian will rule the mobile OS environment forever even if they are able to sort things out. Someday, there will be a new king of the jungle.

  4. It is not unexpected after nokia bought up symbian. They were probably just waiting to have their bada os reasonable stable before jumping. The move has very little do with symbian itself but alot more to do withthe fact that nokia BOUGHT symbian. They are competitors remember?

  5. Now- i confess i am really confused here.

    why does everybody seem to be dumping three symbian os?

    It is acknowledged that the symbian os is mature and rmostly gets the Job done. Your Nissan Sentra may not have the flamboyance of your Hyundai Elantra, but it gets the job done. Efficiently.

    Why on earth do people seem to be makig a shift to the Andoids and iPhones of this world – in droves- when there are glaring performance deficiencies STILL present?

    Is os adoption solely about the fluidity, smoothness and buttery operation of the interface?

    On a smartphone, i would imagine that performance (true stable multitasking, superior battery life and memory management) would be more relevant to adoption – than a meretrcious interface that lacks basics like bluetooth and truly efficient multitasking)

    but then, the truth of the matter is that majority of people who carry about smartphones makes use of them at the same level that the average human uses his mental capacity / capability (@ less than 10%)

    most People rush like lemmings to the shinniest, smoothest objects, not necessarily for their intrinsic value, but for their cosmetic appeal And astute businessmen capitalise on this human weakness to keep on making a bundle!

    You can fool most of the people most of the time…

    Shame!!!

  6. Good argument there by EyeBeekay. There are times that I am just exasperated at some of the statements being made about Symbian. Take this excerpt from a comment submitted by Mahogany on the 25th of September:

    however i think the definition of what makes a smartphone is changing looking at the capabilities of the new generation phones (powerful desktop-like OS and spec nearing mainstream computers), i see symbian phones falling out of the smartphone category.

    I asked him how Symbian fails to meet this criteria of smartphones, but he wouldn’t respond.

    There are absolutely no capabilities that Android has that Symbian lacks. As EyeBeeKay pointed out, Symbian has had most for several years before Android showed up – and Android is still lacking a number of them.

    Only ignorant people make statements that suggest that Symbian is not qualified as a smartphone OS.

    Having said that, Nonso has made a very valid point: when your competition (actually the dominant competitor) buys up an OS (though open source as it may be), chances are that you look elsewhere to cover your back.

  7. No. Symbian is not dead.

    Lets not forget that it is still the dominant and most available/affordable OS in the market. As long as nokia keeps its prices down, it will continue to sell. Lets face it, how many of us can afford the iOS phones or Andriod phones or other OS? Nokia’s purchase of Symbian is enough for Samsung to look elsewhere (as mentioned by Nonso). Now they have the bada but they’ll be in big trouble if they refuse to bring down the price of bada phones.

    People go for eye candies and some want to show off with new OS phones but all these soon fade away and give way to newer OSs etc but the stable symbian will remain and continue to meet the needs of the common man bringing smartphone exeriences to those who cannot afford the high and mighty phones.

    Mark my words, Symbian is far from being morbid. It will remain with us for a long time. It may not continue in the number one position, but it is here to stay.

    1. Mark my words, Symbian is far from being morbid. It will remain with us for a long time. It may not continue in the number one position, but it is here to stay.

      Well said.

  8. Surely nothing last forever but i bet nokia/symbian will not chicken out.Nokia has already said it is not the technology but what you do with it.And this is already evident on symbian ^3 devices with unbeatable features like the best camera,usb OTG,web tv,CBD screen,true multitasking etc.Samsung or S.E leaving symbian can not kill it, after even while they were using symbian they could not still make better symbian os phones like nokia itself.We should also know that it is not in samsung interest for nokia to remain no_1 and it evident again from the rains of smart phones that samsung is desperately flooding the market with.Now nokia has just launched few s^3 phones and they are all catching cold. If apple can single handedly manage ios, i see no reason why nokia can not do the same.The nokia n8 today is the best camera phone ever produced.No wonder since its launch for pre order 3 days ego their were ques from sweden,China,germany and the rest, to the extent that nokia has to shift the date for the retail stores because of the high demand.So if n8 could fetch all these, what more of e7 which is the next communicator. Already again,the screen clarity of n8 is said to be at per or better than iphone4’s even though the iphone4 has 960×630 while n8 has 630×340 resolution,what more of the nokia e7/c4/c6-01 with CBD screen.The iphone is just having it 1st camera led flash at the time when nokia has made those with xenon flash.The iphone users are just experiencing face time video calls on iphone4, something that nokia is been implementing on all its smart phones for more 5years.So all these are deliberate tactics to bring nokia down by some shadowy forces using the likes of engadget,Gizmo,intomobile,mobilereview.com etc

    1. Abubakar, you said:

      So all these are deliberate tactics to bring nokia down by some shadowy forces using the likes of engadget,Gizmo,intomobile,mobilereview.com etc

      You don’t know this for sure. Please keep the politics out of your comments – unless you can provide evidence to back such claims up.

  9. My evidence is that Eldar Mutazin of the mobilereview.com was recent caught with n8 and other nokia phones prototypes which made him to write some lies about symbian^3 phones in favor of the same samsung phones which nokia later found out and reported him to the authorities for their prototypes to be retrived.So this days we can hardly seperate politics from almost everything, even in the so called civilized worlds.

    1. Abubakar,

      That is evidence of nothing. Every mobile blogger would like to get their hands on prototypes and early devices, or pre-release news. This is not the first time that bloggers and online journalists have had access to pre-release devices, including the iPhone.

      You claim that Eldar wrote lies about Symbian3. Have you had access to the same prototype that he had access to so as to verify that what he wrote were lies? I don’t think so. You have already taken a hard-line position without being aware of all the facts or intrigues at play. Not worth it.

      Again, please keep the politics out. This site is about the devices, services and consumer usage. The politics often generate inciting and inflammatory positions. As a rule, inflammatory and inciting comments on Mobility Nigeria are deleted.

      Thank you for minding this.

  10. “…however i think the definition of what makes a Smartphone is changing looking at the capabilities of the new generation phones (powerful desktop-like OS and spec nearing mainstream computers), I see Symbian phones falling out of the Smartphone category.

    I asked him how Symbian fails to meet these criteria of Smartphones, but he wouldn’t respond.”

    @Yomi, Although Mahogany did not reply to your query, I think that I have a rough idea what he is talking about. The Smartphone capabilities that Nokia is just flagrantly lacking are in its top end phones. They are so exorbitantly priced with no commensurate hard-ware feature to boast of. Now, excuse me, let’s take a look at the top end Smartphones in the market; Samsung Galaxy S, Motorola Droid X, HTC incredible, and the iphone 4, you’ll see some things in common! 1 Gigahertz CPU, 512 Megabyte of RAM as minimum Hardware specification. Now what does the highest spec Nokia have? The N8, with a meager 256 Megabyte RAM and the CPU is just clocked at 680 Megahertz.

    If you follow my syllogism, you’ll appreciate that as other manufacturers’ capabilities are approaching a stand-alone computer configuration, Nokia is lacking so much behind. Just imagine the rubbish thin hardware characteristics that they brought up in the Nokia N97 with such a high price! You cannot easily explain the N97’s price and its hardware configuration!

    Now people claim that the iphone 4 is so expensive, but I think that is not so true if you compare it with other high end phones in the same bracket! The iphone 4 for instance retails at 499 dollars in the US without contract! This is the same for the Galaxy S and Motorola Droid. Now if you compare this with Nokia N8, you are in for a surprise! The Nokia N8 retails for 550 dollars in the US! In Europe, SIM free without contract, the Nokia N8 costs higher than an iphone 4 and Galaxy S. It is really sick because The Nokia N8 has half the RAM of the other phones mentioned above and much less the CPU speed. Isn’t this sick and does it not border on brand hype? Let’s call a spade a spade.

    Nokia needs to seat up! In the low end phones they are doing well in their price ratio. But in the top end phones which I am interested in, their prices are exorbitant compared with other manufacturers, even Apple!!

  11. @ Yomi. WHat you pointed you is very true and in line. Gizmodo got an early “stolen” prototype of the iphone 4 before launch and Apple was not happy about it. Had to call the police into it which ended up with Gizmodo being ransacked and their computers confiscated by the police for some time. Eldar Mutazin of mobile-review also had some similar problems with Nokia.

    I believe Eldar Mutarzin is an honourable and trustworthy journalist. I follow him. He dissed the Nokia N8 and Nokia’s over all general strategy not because of Personal gains but his own honest opinion.

    @ Abubakar. It would be wise to note that in 2007, Eldar Mutazin also criticized the iphone. One of the first review I read on the iphone was via mobile-review.com. That was his opinion. Much respected on the web. There is no conspiracy against Nokia and Symbian. Just let the competition continue. We the consumers would only smile away with better devices and better price points.

  12. Ovhumuahwe,

    Your comment displays the general lack of understanding of how powerful the Symbian OS is. It is what those of us who know have been trying to drum into the ears of everybody for years: Symbian manages system resources much better than most of the other mobile OSes out there and so does not need the same CPU and RAM specs as they do.

    I’m hoping that was clear enough. Just to be sure, let me re-phrase: bang for buck, Symbian is more resource efficient than those shiny new mobile OSes out there.

    You said:

    It is really sick because The Nokia N8 has half the RAM of the other phones mentioned above and much less the CPU speed. Isn’t this sick and does it not border on brand hype? Let’s call a spade a spade.

    The N8 does not need 1GHz to perform as well as a similar device running Windows mobile, Android or iOS. It does not need as much RAM as they do either. That’s the spade that needs calling a spade.

    Yes; Nokia messed up with the N97, especially with the limited C disk size. A mess up with that device does not translate to the OS being deficient.

    For example, Nokia has released other Symbian devices (e.g. E5 reviewed here) which were not crippled. The E5 has a 600 MHz processor and flies. That’s Symbian, the most efficient mobile OS on the block. Sony Ericsson has some Symbian devices out there that were not crippled and they don’t match the system specs of similar devices from other OSes. That’s Symbian, the old dog that can still teach the new guys a trick or two.

    Point: The problem is not Symbian but rather each manufacturer’s implementation on each different device they make. Nokia, not Symbian, screwed up the N97.

    It looks like its a crime to be resource efficient in the mobile world.

    People just fall for hype – more megapixels; more RAM; more Processing power – whether or not it makes any sense.

    Now, I am still waiting for you or someone else to show us exactly how Symbian (or Symbian devices) no longer fits into the definition of smartphone.

  13. @Ovhumuahwe. TO add to what you said, the iphone 4, 8 gigabyte costs 419 pounds in the UK (http://store.apple.com/uk/browse/home/shop_iphone/family/iphone?mco=OTY2ODA2OQ). While the N8 would cost 429 Pounds in the UK(http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/tesco-triggers-nokia-n8-price-war-9672)! From the Nokia official site N8 would cost ” It will cost €370 (before the usual local taxes and subsidies) when it starts shipping in the third quarter of 2010.”

    Clearly, the Nokia N8 is a little more expensive than the iphone 4’s starting point!

  14. Afewgoodmen,

    Point noted about N8’s price. But we must learn to address issues without introducing other issues to cloud the picture.

    Ovhumuahwe’s argument was a response to the claim about Symbian phones falling out of the smartphone category.

    The price of the N8 has NOTHING to do with that.

  15. @Mr ovhumuawe, why is it that all your emphasis are on the RAM/CPU as if it is only the numbers of RAM/CPU that determines the best smart phone.If that is that, why cant you go for LG smart phones with 512mb and 1Ghz Qualqum processors?You may have all those and still came out with trash.Nokia has said it is not the technology, it is what you do with it and has proved it with N8 which has capabilities that no phone can toy with for now.Or tell us which phone has true multitasking,usb on-the-go,web tv,telescopic stylus,Livemobile Tv connect headphone, perfect camera with Xenon flash that rivals only a stand alone digicam, running on it OS.Symbian is a light os and can run smoothly with just few resources.Nokia will have to evaluate before implementing any thing that may pause a risk to vital functions of its devices using its OS e.g the battery life,signal,design etc.See what happened to apple when it considered using steel and slim design for its iphone4.Did it not ended up having antenna problems? Tell us which of these android phones is not having battery issues or is not having a mediocre multitasking.Symbian^3 is now having an upgrade of RAM to 256mb with 680Mhz CPU/GPU processor and that shall increase if it does not pause risk to the vital functions.Nokia do not compromise those vital communication functions for design,coz communication is all about CONNECTING PEOPLE!
    And did you just say iphone is cheaper than nokia phones?! Well, the last time i checked it was #150000.

  16. All your points are noted, Abubakar. They are credible and they make sense. Nokia innovates. Nokia is presently the largest handset manufacturer in the world. No doubt about that. However, there is no conspiracy about Nokia. It is a fact that Nokia is just doing badly in their top end mobile sales and the Nokia N8 and Symbian ^ 3 was developed to overcome this short-fall.

    And concerning Apple iphone costs, it is pertinent to inform you that there is no official iphone sales in Nigeria. What you have is only the grey market or should I say black market in Nigeria. The iphones you buy in NIgeria is twice the actual cost because of this grey market and demand. Like in the US, the iphone 4 costs only 499 dollars which is roughly NGN74,500.00. In the UK, it costs NGN96500.00 roughly which is 419 Pounds. The Nokia N8 is costlier in both instances! Therefore, iphone 4 is cheaper than the Nokia N8 in the US and Uk for instance.

    And mind you I am not comparing all Nokia phones with Iphone cost! I only compared the iphone with the top end Nokia Smartphone. Note the difference please!!

  17. i agree with yomi with symbian being lighter very resource efficient so ground breaking cpu speed and ram size may just be an overkill. eg a 1 gig cpu and 1gig ram may get you by on a linux distro or even winxp, but that is insufficent to get a seamless perfomans on window 7. same analogy goes for symbian and other eye can oses like android n ios.
    now bact to the main topic, im sure if most of us were samsung, we would also ditch nokia. the simple reason is that nokia is not playing fair since they bought symbian.

    imagine nokia releasing a buggy os to every one, fixing some of the bugs and making the fixes available to only nokia devices and leaving other manufacturers to sort out themselves. compare that to google who releases every ugrade of android to all manufacturers, so they dont have to bother thier heads about android but just manufacturer specific customizations. also nokia should have taken a cue from google and make ovistore and ovi maps available to all symbian devices regardless of manufacturer rather than being available to only nokia devices afterall android market n google maps is not available to only G1 or nexus one but all andrid handsets.
    so if you were samsung, tell me why you would stay with symbian and not jump ship to android or develp bada?
    i am still finding it hard to believe i can get iphone 4 for 500usd unlocked without any contract, so why is it sold so high here in naija? na wa for this country sef! i use to think that price was with a contract or attached to a network.

    1. Hello bily,

      There are a few misconceptions in your comment. You said:

      imagine nokia releasing a buggy os to every one, fixing some of the bugs and making the fixes available to only nokia devices and leaving other manufacturers to sort out themselves. compare that to google who releases every ugrade of android to all manufacturers, so they dont have to bother thier heads about android but just manufacturer specific customizations.

      1. Nokia does not release Symbian OS updates; The Symbian Foundation does (and several of those other manufacturers are on the board of the Foundation). Truth be told, while Nokia now owns Symbian, the decision-making at Symbian is not in the hands of Nokia, but the board of the Foundation.

      2. The only bug fixes that Nokia releases are bugs specific to their own handsets, not bugs specific to Symbian OS. Even on the Android platform, various manufacturers release handset-specific updates that have nothing to do with the core OS itself. For example, SonyEricsson has released fixes for the X10 Mini Pro. That had nothing to do with google or Android but their own implementation of Android.

      You also said:

      also nokia should have taken a cue from google and make ovistore and ovi maps available to all symbian devices regardless of manufacturer rather than being available to only nokia devices afterall android market n google maps is not available to only G1 or nexus one but all andrid handsets.

      Again, Ovi Store and Ovi Maps are not Symbian developments, but were developed exclusively by Nokia for their own handsets. You will notice that Ovi services are not available on only Nokia’s Symbian devices but on their S40 line as well. Ovi is not Symbian. Some of those other manufacturers have services and apps that are exclusive to their own devices. Again, this is not a point against Nokia.

      Cheers.

  18. @ Yomi, point noted.

    i guessed i posted in the wrong thread, if possible could you help me move my post and your answer to mine under the rihht topic? its supposed to be under samsund ditchung symbian and not mtn’s price slash.

    thanks

    1. bily,

      Ah, would you believe that I didn’t notice the wrong thread either? Monday morning blues, I guess. Thanks.

  19. @Yomi. I understand your point. But I still feel Nokia, by buying over Symbian or having a controlling share should do more to entice other manufacturers. The mobile phone arena is a complex and crowded space. Yet breakthrough still arises from time to time. Like the iphone and then android.

    You can see that despite Samsung and SE rejecting Symbian they are still in tune with windows phone 7! why? If they were doing so well with Symbian would they so easily leave?

    Nokia needs to attract companies with their Ovi maps and store services. Like Google they should do more to entice manufacturers Doesn’t Google have a right to make their Google earth and map services exclusive only to the Nexus Android phone? At least they could argue that only Android OS is actually open source. But they didn’t. That is why I would throw my hat with Bily. They should do more. Presently the Symbian ^ 3 OS platform is open source, but only to Nokia! Other companies are jumping sail!

  20. @Yomi. “…People just fall for hype – more megapixels; more RAM; more Processing power – whether or not it makes any sense.”

    Your point noted. What I get from you is that the Symbian ^3 is not resource intensive. And get by easily with a RAM of 256MB compared with an Android Galaxy S with 512 MB. Understood.

    But I still dislike Nokia for crippling their top-end phones. By charging a premium for their Nokia N8, higher than the Galaxy S and iphone 4 for instance yet put meager hard ware configuration. Then how do we differentiate top phone and low end and middle class phones? Nokia should seriously consider this. More RAM or More CPU speed in a device would only improve it and not damage it. I know that the exorbitantly priced and slow Nokia N97 definitely needs more RAM, Symbian 60 or not!

    Whether the Nokia N8 would need more RAM to be as swift as the Galaxy S or better in fluidity and speed, I can’ tell. Nor can anyone, until we have a hands-on experience and when the reviews start coming in!!

    1. By charging a premium for their Nokia N8, higher than the Galaxy S and iphone 4 for instance yet put meager hard ware configuration.

      256MB of RAM may be meagre for Android; it isn’t necesarilly so for Symbian. That’s the point.

      You complain about Nokia charging a premium for the N8. How many other smartphones on the market tot the specs of the N8? Are we so biased and clouded that we ignore that this device is simply the most advanced thing out there? If the 256MB RAM and 680 MHz processor run it snappy, it should be no issue to you or me. As a matter of fact, we should be marvelling at it.

      Then how do we differentiate top phone and low end and middle class phones?

      By what they do. That seems quite simple.

      Whether the Nokia N8 would need more RAM to be as swift as the Galaxy S or better in fluidity and speed, I can’ tell. Nor can anyone, until we have a hands-on experience and when the reviews start coming in!!

      True. But then, does the N8 need to be as swift as the Galaxy S to be regarded as swift?

  21. argument without recourse to what consumers want prevailed in this forum. You are clamouring for symbian os when a manufacturing giant Samsung is ditching it,i’ll rather you compare the old toyota corrolla with new toyota avalon and see if old technology rules the consumer world or not. symbian is a declining os,ride with the ios and android and stop being left behind

  22. Argument without recourse to what consumers want? Now, that’s odd.

    It looks like those over 200,000. Symbian devices sold daily across the world are purchased by aliens, not consumers.

    It is also pertinent to note that Samsung never had a strong Symbian showing, those this jumping of ship will produce negligible impact on Symbian’s statistics.

    Note also that Samsung was responsible for some of the backlash that Symbian is facing today. They crippled the i8910 from start and gave it almost no support, leaving customers disgruntled. Then conveniently jumped ship.

    Again, I repeat to those who have ears and a head to think: Symbian is not a declining OS. It is selling more devices than ever. Palm was a declining OS: it was selling less and less.

    Symbian may lose marketshare, but so far as it is selling more and more – even more than the so called progressing OSes, it is not and cannot be classified as declining.

    Odd, I see that you submitted your comment with a Symbian phone 😀

  23. Afewgoodmen,

    But I still feel Nokia, by buying over Symbian or having a controlling share should do more to entice other manufacturers.

    You are not getting this. Or you just don’t want to get it. The Symbian Foundation is not a for-profit subsidiary of Nokia. It is an independent, open house for as many as would come. Symbian OS from the Symbian Foundation is Open Source. No licensing fees for using the OS by any manufacturer. Samsung doies not pay SF a dime to use Symbian OS. SE does not.

    Yes; owned by Nokia, but not a for-profit thing. Again, I repeat: the Symbian Foundation is run independently of Nokia by the Foundation’s own board.

    Now note: Every manufacturer owes their stakeholders the responsibility to develop USP features or services for their own devices for market differentiation.

    That’s why HTC has Sense UI and services on Android and Windowsphone. That’s why SonyEricsson has TimeScape and MediaScape, as well as sync services on both Android and Symbian.

    You are asking Nokia to give up what differentiates their products from others? Does that sound fair to you? That’s not right. Would HTC give up Sense for other manufacturers to use? Why not ask Samsung to share TouchWiz with all Symbian members? Hell will have to freeze over for that to happen.

    Comparing Nokia’s Ovi to Google’s Maps is just plain wrong. Google is NOT a phone manufacturer. If you want to compare smartphone OSes, leave Nokia out of it. Compare Google/Android OS with Symbian Foundation/Symbian OS – that’s a fair (and the appropriate comparison). Can we objectively aknowledge where the line between Nokia and the Symbian Foundation lies please?

    Understanding the underlying principles and technicalities will help us see things clearly and appropriate blame only where due.

    Cheers.

  24. oh wow this comment thread is getting interesting but let me add my own two cents.

    1. Isn’t competition supposed to be GOOD? for those of you clamouring for nokia to drop symbian, why would you want less competition? if anything you should want more competition!!!

    2. i personally take anything american tech blogs write with a pinch of salt. they seem to always beat anything that doesn’t come out of silicon valley or have a corporate office in seattle. i’ve used symbiab for decades and it amazes me how the concept of smart phone has changed from one of doing to one of eye candy. if it really worked that way then i guess models would win nobel prizes. symbian has done most things other os’s are touting now for years albeit less flashily. symbian^3 adds a little flash and a little more too ( think of moving from windows vista to windows 7 – still windows but u can see the progress)

    3. Iphone 4 is cheaper than the n8? hmmm, let me give youa hint: it has to do with monthly bills and micro sims, even if you are not on contract.

    1. i personally take anything american tech blogs write with a pinch of salt. they seem to always beat anything that doesn’t come out of silicon valley or have a corporate office in seattle.

      That’s calling a spade a spade.

  25. “Again, I repeat to those who have ears and a head to think: Symbian is not a declining OS. It is selling more devices than ever. Palm was a declining OS: it was selling less and less.”

    *standing ovation*

  26. I think it would be good that I join this debate at this stage. Everyone seems to have a valid point. To me, if I was Nokia, there isn’t anything bad in making Symbian attractive. And by owning the Symbian ecosystem they should be able to steer Symbian to versatility and worldwide acceptance amongst other manufacturers. He who pays the piper calls the tunes. Or how is the Symbian foundation funded by the way, in the first place?

    1. Bayoabu,

      Everyone seems to have a valid point.

      I disagree. Those other points are not valid in the light of the structure and modus operandi of the Symbian Foundation. My answers to your questions below validate this.

      To me, if I was Nokia, there isn’t anything bad in making Symbian attractive

      You do not make an open OS attractive by throwing your unique selling point open to everyone else. That’s suicide.

      how is the Symbian foundation funded by the way, in the first place?

      # Who owns the Symbian Foundation?: The Symbian Foundation is owned by its members. It is a company limited by guarantee, so does not have a share capital (therefore the members do not hold shares in the Symbian Foundation).

      # Are the Symbian Foundation board members also the funding members?: The foundation operating expenses are shared equally among the three device manufacturers on the board.

      Source: Symbian Legal FAQs

      Take a look at that page I linked to – do you see Nokia funding this thing, running it, or making money from it in any way? The Foundation is funded by its members, and you want one member – Nokia – to give up services that it has spent years and millions of dollars acquiring and developing? For what? For a Foundation from which Nokia does not make 10 kobo.

      If na joke, you guys should stop it. If I was a shareholder in Nokia and they did such a stupid thing as turn over millions of dollars of investments into the hands of competitors, I would mobilise the other shareholders to have the board and management of the company sacked.

      Nokia has nothing to lose from Samsung or SonyEricsson or anyone else leaving the Foundation. Nothing. As a matter of fact, if Nokia is left as the only handset manufacturer using Symbian, it becomes an advantage – when anyone thinks “Symbian” there is only one brand to look for – Nokia. Come to think of it, who knows if this was exactly the guys at Nokia had in mind when they paid off the others recently? Just thinking out loud.

  27. @Yomi. I appreciate what you’ve said. But I still feel that the N8 should have more RAM and CPU power than the low priced ans wonderful Nokia E5. if not, why the hell is it a flagship product? Why that expensive?.

    And comparing it with the Samsung galaxy S is just comparing it with the competition. It should do as well or better with 256MB Ram IF it is true that Symbian is less resource consumptive. That should be what should make it shine!! What do ya say?

    1. Ovhumuahwe,

      And comparing it with the Samsung galaxy S is just comparing it with the competition. It should do as well or better with 256MB Ram IF it is true that Symbian is less resource consumptive. That should be what should make it shine!! What do ya say?

      To this, I must refer to something you said earlier:

      More RAM or More CPU speed in a device would only improve it and not damage it.

      Wrong again. Here are two ways that more can damage a device:

      1. More of those resources can further bump production costs up, impacting selling price and hurting sales.

      2. More CPU speed impacts battery life significantly – something that we are all complaining about on all our devices running these shiny new OSes.

      As such, N8 won’t necesarilly do better with extra 256MB RAM (I believe that you meant to say “extra 256MB“, because the N8 has 256MB already) if that extra is not needed in the first place. It will be like a car that guzzles more fuel than it really needs to run. So far, the early impressions of the N8 published online paint a good picture of user interface speed. I really doubt that the N8 needs the extra you are talking about.

      Here’s something from Matt Miller, a respected mobile journalist who has a track record of objectivity:

      I admit I was a bit worried about the N8 ability to run several high powered apps at once after seeing some warnings appear on prototype devices, but I was able to experience running Gravity, camera app, web browser with full ZDNet site loading, Angry Birds, Galaxy on Fire, Ovi Store, music player, email app, phone dialer, Ovi Maps, and calendar all at once without pause. On the E73 and N97 I could run just a couple and then if I started the camera or web browser the low memory error would appear so this is rather a breath of fresh air.

      Source: Hands-on with the Nokia N8, a smartphone Symbian fans will love

      Lastly, you did say:

      But I still feel that the N8 should have more RAM and CPU power than the low priced ans wonderful Nokia E5. if not, why the hell is it a flagship product? Why that expensive?.

      There are a gazzillion things that the N8 does a billion times better than the E5. More refined UI. Far better camera with autofocus and Xenon flash, among other features. Bigger and better display. More quality materials (Anodized aluminum casing). Dolby Digital Plus via HDMI. Much better video recording. TV-out. Bluetooth v3. More powerful processor (that extra 80 MHz may seem small but in Symbian terms, that is significant). Capacitive touchscreen with mullti-touch input method, Proximity sensor for auto turn-off, Accelerometer sensor for UI auto-rotate, and Scratch resistant Gorilla glass display. 16GB internal storage. Digital compass.

      And with all that, I’m not through yet. This is too easy to see if we look without bias. The N8 is far, far, far ahead of the E5 in every respect. That’s what sets it apart as a flagship product.

      Dear Lord, I’m beginning to sound like Nokia hired me to do a PR job for the N8. Funny, but I have no personal interest in the phone and do not intend to spend a kobo of my money on one. Quite happy with my current device. I just can’t stand hype and misinformation.

      Cheers.

  28. “i personally take anything American tech blogs write with a pinch of salt. they seem to always beat anything that doesn’t come out of silicon valley or have a corporate office in Seattle.”

    This is as far as it gets. Perhaps from Apple bashing to America bashing. Not good at all. Blogs in the US have dissed the Android platform before. Even criticized Palm and some still pick on Apple. I think this statement is too generalized. And like most things hastily generalized, it is false! Does Blackberry came from the US or silicon valley? Does it not have most of its sales in the US. In fact 39% Smart phone sales (Number 1) in the US? IS it not a Canadian owned Company?

    I think Nokia and Symbian should do more to understand the US mobile phone market and not just cast blames on American blogs. It is carrier driven!

    1. I must back down here and concede that the statement in question (while it has elements of truth) is indeed generalised and I acted out of line giving it broad backing the way I did.

  29. @Yomi. Thanks. Your point on Symbian and Google properly understood and digested. It makes a lot of sense.

    But I do not like the way symbian is going. Open source. Free? but to just one company? Nothing attractive to make others wish to leave WP7 or Android to move there? Or just adopt it as an additional Smartphone OS platform to support? Perhaps the board in charge of the Symbian foundation itself needs to be examined. Open source is good only with proper direction. The way of the dragon, oops sorry, The way of Google android is the way I think Symbian should be moving. Doing well, worldwide adoption, with developers trooping to it…

    And also whether we like it or not, Nokia is declining in income. It is true that they have crashed down their prices for middle and top end phones to maintain sales and break even. And it is also true that there was a decline in their profits last year when compared with the preceding year. And even quarter versus quarter this 2010, there was also a decline. I don’t believe in just talking. I’d give you my sources {http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_q2_results_are_out_profits_fall_as_smartphones_get_cheaper-news-1829.php} and { http://www.nokia.com/about-nokia/financials/quarterly-and-annual-information/q2-2010 } We do not know what the full 2010 profit report would read. But let’s not put our heads under the ground like ostriches. Nokia might also see a profit decline in 2010 too! Where the Benjis (money) are is actually in the top-end phones. This is where the competition is stiffer. Even among the low end phones, report from China, now suggests that the local Chinese mobile phone manufacturers are doing serious battle with Nokia. I could quote my source if you want.

    What it all boils down to is that it is not so rosy with Nokia the way many are putting it. Unit sales aren’t everything. Profit is. Nokia had to sack their CEO and employ another from Microsoft to lead it through these dark times. For a Tech Giant to be slashing down prices of their products to survive shows that times are really hard, especially when the Nokia brand is so ubiquitous and associated with the word “mobile phone”. If there wasn’t any trouble this things wouldn’t have happened. A spade should be called a spade!

    1. Afewgoodmen,

      But I do not like the way symbian is going. Open source. Free? but to just one company?

      Could you clarify your message a bit? I ask because Android is both open source and free too. Thanks.

      I certainly agree that Nokia is having financial issues. Nokia has had problems with the high-end segment. They certainly need to fix things. And I hope that they do.

      Having said that, Nokia is not the subject of this discussion. Symbian is. Cheers.

  30. “Nokia report 90 percent less profit in Q1, but sell 5800 like hotdogs”

    this is a news article from Gsmarena.

    {http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_report_90_percent_less_profit_in_q1_but_sell_5800_like_hotdogs-news-879.php}

    Truth be told, this isn’t Rosy at all, no matter if one wants to hide behind unit sales alone!!

  31. @Dare. It is good to visit http://www.amazon.co.uk/Apple-APPLE-IPHONE-16GB-BLACK/dp/B003TQ3NCY to set the records straight. AT&T has exclusive right for the iphone in the US. SO it would be unfair comparison in price there. The UK is more objective with no exclusive right in any of the carieers.

    But be that as it may, the iphone 16 GB starts at $598 in the Amazon US store (pls check link above) and $599 in the APple US store. The iphone 8GB naturally starts at $499, much cheaper than the Nokia N8!

    WHere you quoted $748.99 beats me. Fully unlocked the iphone 16 GB costs £628.79 only because of a fee of a $30.79 fee charged by Amazon for the unlock. This is just because of the exclusivity agreement between Apple and AT&T which would end by 2011 (Next year!)

    Please check; http://www.amazon.co.uk/Apple-APPLE-IPHONE-16GB-BLACK/dp/B003TQ3NCY

  32. Afewgoodmen,

    Am I missing something? Your link is to the Amazon UK store and lists the iPhone4 price in GBP, not USD. Converted to USD, GBP589.99 comes to about USD930.

    Surely, that makes the iPhone4 waaaaay more expensive than the N8; doesn’t it?

    Please fill in the gaps if I missed something.

    By the way, it is not fair mentioning the iPhone 8GB, seeing that the N8 is 16GB only.

    Back to the 16GB model, please check your link again and fill me in please. Cheers.

  33. @ Yomi. “Afewgoodmen,

    Am I missing. Something? Your link is to the Amazon UK store and lists the iPhone4 price in GBP, not USD. Converted to USD, GBP589.99 comes to about USD930.”

    I am sorry I got to the Uk Amazon store thinking it was the US store. My laptop goes to UK websites by default. Sorry. My bad, I guess.

    Nevertheless, it would be unfair to compare prices for the iphone 4 in the UK with that of the US because it is much cheaper in the US. The official APple price is $499 for iphone 4 8GB and $599 for iphone 4 16 GB in the US. While the Nokia N8 goes for about $550. So I guess if you look at the 16GB variety, the Nokia N8 is only then slightly cheaper.

    In the UK for instance, the cost for the nokia N8 is GDP 429. WHile if you buy the Iphoe 4 8GB unlocked from the APple Store, it would cost you GBP419 in the UK. Whle the 16Gb is GBP499. This should factor in please. Thanks.

    Sorry Dare for the little mix-up in regional websites.

  34. That settles it then. The N8 is not more expensive than the iPhone4 16GB (that’s the comparison that makes sense). If there was an N8 8GB variant, it will certainly be cheaper than what it is now.

    Hopefully, we have now rested the issue of cost.

  35. So Samsung left symbian to pave way for Windows Phone 7.
    Lets hope the N8 saves Symbian.

    Have seen Iphone 4 in Nigeria for a minimum of 175K, waiting to see N8 price in Nigeria market.

  36. @bosun99uk,

    I have also seen a place in Lagos where you could buy the iphone 4 16GB for NGN153. I do not hink that the Nokia N8 would be that expensive, because unlike Aple, Nokia has a strong presence in Nigeria!

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